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 Post subject: Re: Why was my Wild Knuffel rejected?
Posted: Jul 14th, '14, 12:14    


mishamonkey

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I've had the same 'out of proportion' issue. This girl. She's drawn on the exact same base as two knuffel I've had accepted.... can anyone explain that?

Also, before I submit them, I want to ask whether Zeethos, Aurora, Lavender, or Candy have issues.

Also, could you guys check out this lizard guy and this merman? I'm afraid they're both needing some insight... and names...

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 Post subject: Re: Why was my Wild Knuffel rejected?
Posted: Jul 14th, '14, 15:01    


ml1201

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Candy seems to have enough changes to me, but I think the others could use a bit more. I know lizard man has a good amount of changes, but loosing his hair is not considered an evolution.

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 Post subject: Re: Why was my Wild Knuffel rejected?
Posted: Aug 12th, '14, 03:18    


HanafuruLove

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Ello <.<

Just curious if anyone could help me figure this out. For the last stage of my knuffel I've got an issue described as "no clear background" O: When I originally submitted it, I figured it was an issue with this star burst deco thing I had, so I got rid of it entirely, and replaced it with the balloons. However, apparently that didn't fix it. I've checked and made sure the background is transparent, so that's not the issue. I've also gone over it with a few different colors of backgrounds to check for little speck and/or parts that weren't fully opaque, but that doesn't seem to be it either. So I'm more or less at a loss. Anyone see something I don't? I have to go back in and change some stages up, but it would probably be easier to do after I figure out what the clear-background-thing is.


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 Post subject: Re: Why was my Wild Knuffel recected?
Posted: Aug 12th, '14, 03:56    


ml1201

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Firn wrote:
  • 5. Transparent Background

    Your Knuffel must be placed on a transparent Background
    → I really do not know how to explain this any better, but users still keep submitting Knuffel on backgrounds that are not transparent.
    Transparent does NOT mean white.
    → Don't add any frames around the image.
    → Don't add any background image or random parts of backgrounds to your Knuffel! No mountains, no windows, no curtains, no floor, no shadows on a non-existing floor, nothing! You are drawings Knuffel, not interior design or landscapes!
In this case its because you didn't read the rules carefully about the background. Those speech bubbles are not permited in the knuffel submission since its not an actual part of it and not considered an evolution. Not to mention it also clutters up the knuffel.

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 Post subject: Re: Why was my Wild Knuffel rejected?
Posted: Aug 12th, '14, 04:17    


HanafuruLove

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I actually read through that part a few times, but that seemed to be applying to objects that had /nothing/ to do with the knuffel, like the ground or a cloud or something. I saw other knuffel holding things and such, and I've done kunffel with elements in behind like this before (Misdirection Master had signs O:), so I figured balloons weren't an issue. Regardless, you could be right. However, I'm not so sure because the first time I submitted, the balloons weren't there at all, and that's when I was first told about the issue. So if the problem didn't change with the re-submission, it might be something else that wasn't changed?... If they have to go, they have to go, but if the balloons aren't the issue, I'd rather keep them, as I quite like them.

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 Post subject: Re: Why was my Wild Knuffel recected?
Posted: Aug 12th, '14, 13:02    


Lioret

Joined: Apr 18th, '14, 09:28
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ml1201 wrote:
Firn wrote:
  • 5. Transparent Background

    Your Knuffel must be placed on a transparent Background
    → I really do not know how to explain this any better, but users still keep submitting Knuffel on backgrounds that are not transparent.
    Transparent does NOT mean white.
    → Don't add any frames around the image.
    → Don't add any background image or random parts of backgrounds to your Knuffel! No mountains, no windows, no curtains, no floor, no shadows on a non-existing floor, nothing! You are drawings Knuffel, not interior design or landscapes!
In this case its because you didn't read the rules carefully about the background. Those speech bubbles are not permited in the knuffel submission since its not an actual part of it and not considered an evolution. Not to mention it also clutters up the knuffel.
Even if you may be correct about the balloons, I do not feel that it is necessary to imply that one has been negligent about the rules or to point out things that you do not personally like about the design. Our purpose here is to be helpful and constructive, so to that end, I think that simply suggesting that the balloons may need to be removed or changed would have been sufficient.

Anyways, I'm thinking that if the "no clear background" issue only applies to this stage that you've shown us here, it is pretty likely that the balloons are the problem. I have seen quite a few wild knuffel carrying objects or having objects around or behind them, so I think that the issue may be that the balloons take up a relatively large proportion of the space behind the knuffel, or perhaps Firn didn't feel that they were relevant enough to the knuffel's theme or evolution process.

Maybe if the balloons were smaller, or picking just 1 balloon instead of 3 could resolve this issue.

Another option would be to choose a different type of object for your knuffel to hold such as a paintbrush or little plushie panda or something that would take up a smaller proportion of the space.

Additionally, having the held object change with your knuffel throughout its other evolution stages could also be a handy (for instance, if you kept the balloons, you could have them gradually inflate and float as the knuffel evolved).

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 Post subject: Re: Why was my Wild Knuffel rejected?
Posted: Aug 12th, '14, 16:29    


ml1201

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@Lioret
I was just saying what I thought would be Firn's point of view on the matter. A lot of the older knuffels had stuff in the background and then she enforced the rules more because people kept doing it even though the rules state nothing of the sort should be in with the knuffel. That was not actually my opinion, I actually like the speech bubbles and think they look cool, but I'm not the one who decides what is accepted and what is not. Instead I try to think as to way Firn would put that reason, which is why I stated it the way that I did. I think Firn might have answered in a similar matter when pointing out the rule like I did, and also because the previous stages were not shown as far as I know the speech bubbles do not evolve with the knuffel like you suggested and thus appears as a random background item. If such a thing were to only occur in that stage it is considered a background item and thus not allowed by the stated rules.

@KeyamiLove
Misdirection Master was made a REALLY long time ago, before Firn began enforcing the rules more. So it was after that when she started rejecting knuffels with background items like that. If you were to submit his design now it would probably get rejected because there's no apparent reason for the signs appearing, they just appear. I would go with Lioret's suggestion though and have them inflate into those balloons, then I believe the knuffel will be accepted.



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 Post subject: Re: Why was my Wild Knuffel rejected?
Posted: Aug 12th, '14, 16:46    


HanafuruLove

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I think what Lioret was referring to there, ML, was you adding that last comment about thinking it looked cluttered. It really wasn't relevant to the rest of your point, and was just kind of you not liking the design.

Inflating the balloons or something like that does sound like a good idea, though.

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 Post subject: Re: Why was my Wild Knuffel rejected?
Posted: Aug 12th, '14, 16:51    


ml1201

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And as I said that was what I thought Firn's point of view might have been. :mcheh: If I remember correctly the reason why she doesn't allow backgrounds is because she believes it takes away from the knuffel/clutters the image, but that is not my opinion as I stated in my last post. Everything I said in the original post is what I think is Firn's thoughts on the matter.

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 Post subject: Re: Why was my Wild Knuffel rejected?
Posted: Aug 25th, '14, 04:30    


Mayeru

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uhh i´m really looking forward on sitting down and make some awesome Wild knuffels!, i like the idea very much : )

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