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Post subject: Selling & Auctioning Rules Posted: Apr 27th, '09, 14:13 |
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Post subject: Re: Selling & Auctioning Rules [Updated] Posted: Apr 27th, '09, 14:13 |
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Firn
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Selling Items
If you have several items to sell at the same time - don't create separate threads for the items, but sell them in one thread.
One of the most important things to understand before you sell an items is the difference between selling an item and auctioning an items.
Selling an item means, you either put up a fixed price for your item(s) and sell the item(s) for this price. It is your item and you do not have to sell it to everyone. Some people don't like selling to item hoarders, but prefer to sell an item to someone who doesn't have the item yet. In this case you must clearly state why you would not sell your item to someone in advance.
You can also sell your item without a fixed price, meaning you put it up for sale and people can offer a price they are willing to pay for the item. However, unlike in an auction you have to either accept the offer and sell the item to the person instantly or you have to decline it. There is no in between. You cannot expect people to hold their offered items/food/fairy coins for you forever.
Some sellers hold items for their buyers, meaning they allow the buyer a certain time to get the food needed for the item. This is very nice of the sellers, but they do this on their own risk.
Everything that is not covered in this rules is up the seller's own decision.
Do not post in old and inactive threads. (necroing)
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Post subject: Re: Selling & Auctioning Rules Posted: Apr 27th, '09, 14:13 |
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Firn
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Auctioning Items
Unlike selling, auctioning means you put up your item for auction and anyone can offer.
If you have several items to auction at the same time - don't create separate threads for the items, but auction them in one thread.
If there are certain kinds or amounts of items/food/fairy coins/etc you do not accept as offers you have to clearly state so in advance.
Your auction must have a reasonable end date. You cannot just run an auction and "wait" till you get an offer you like. You have to sell the item to the person with the highest offer at the end of the auction. Please try to be as specific as possible with your auction's end date and state a time and your timezone. You are not allowed to change the end date of the auction just because you aren't getting bids you like.
Make sure you have a starting bid that is an acceptable price for your item, meaning start your auction at a price that is the minimum you would be willing to sell it for.
Make sure you let people know how you value their offers. Some people might feel offended if you decline their bid, because you value a different bid higher than theirs.
You don't have to add an auto-buy price; but if you do, you have to accept it; no matter whether someone else is willing to offer more.
Whether you allow a person to cancel a bid is up to you; however, if you allow a bid to be canceled, you have to detract all the bids from that person from the auctioning so it won't be unfair to other bidders.
If you don't like sniping bids, meaning bids that are made within the last few minutes of an auction, you are free to extend your auction for a couple of minutes - max 1 hour whenever there is a bid being made within the last few minutes of your auction. However, if you want to do so, you must state so in your auction from the beginning!
Everything that is not covered in this rules is up the auctioneer's own decision.
Do not post in old and inactive threads. (necroing)
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Post subject: Re: Selling & Auctioning Rules Posted: Apr 27th, '09, 14:50 |
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RaiRai
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Post subject: Re: Selling & Auctioning Rules Posted: Apr 27th, '09, 17:13 |
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gaara_dgl
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Hopefully these will help ^^ I see a few typos In "selling items" It says "One for the most Should be "of" right? o.o
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Post subject: Re: Selling & Auctioning Rules Posted: Apr 27th, '09, 18:21 |
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Hells_Bells
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These seem really helpful.
The only one I don't agree with on Firn's rules is this one:
Whether you allow a person to cancel a bid is up to you, however, if you allow a bid to be canceled, you have to distract all the bids from that person from the auctioning so it won't be unfair to other bidders.
I think that it should be changed that if such an occurance happens that the seller should be able to end the auction just in case the item drastically drops below the usual or expected price for the item :( That way , no one gets screwed.
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Post subject: Re: Selling & Auctioning Rules Posted: Apr 27th, '09, 18:39 |
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Shinji_Fumajime
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Post subject: Re: Selling & Auctioning Rules Posted: Apr 27th, '09, 19:04 |
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LilChaosKitten
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Thanks, Firn. <3
I know I'm probably one of the most frequent people who brings up these types of issues in the Selling Threads the most.... and I'm sorry for that. D:
I really appreciate you posting this. Hopefully, this will help resolve any future issues. <3
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Post subject: Re: Selling & Auctioning Rules Posted: Apr 27th, '09, 19:17 |
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Her Ugliness
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Hells_Bells wrote:
I think that it should be changed that if such an occurance happens that the seller should be able to end the auction just in case the item drastically drops below the usual or expected price for the item :( That way , no one gets screwed. That's why it says people should make sure that their starting bid is the minimum of what they want to sell the item for. And the seller always has the right to refuse to let people withdraw bids. And other solution is unfair to the bidders. We recently had a case where one person constantly bid, driving the price of the item really high, and then in the end, she withdrew her final bid leaving the highest bidder with a bid that, without the person who withdrew her bid's bidding would possibly not have been that high. Like: Person A: 5K Person B: 10K Person A: 20K Person B: 30K Person A: 40K Person B: 50K Person B: Withdrawing bid which leaves Person A with a HB of 40K, while the person, who in the end didn't want the item anymore drove the bidding from 5K to 40K. This is just an example and it didn't exactly happen like this, but this is to explain to you why I decided to make the rule like this.
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Post subject: Re: Selling & Auctioning Rules Posted: Apr 27th, '09, 19:29 |
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Shinji_Fumajime
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Well, that really would make sense in the end. I was curious if this sort of thing could happen in ebay (as we know is an auctioning site), and it is possible, they just say it should be rare.
I do know there's such a thing as auctions on ebay there is such a thing as a "Spoiler". They bid very high on an item without the intentions of actually going through with the purchase....which sounds somewhat like what's going on in that scenario.
Here's some of the article I found, I won't post it all, so the rest can be found here: Spoilers and How to Handle Them
"Question - What is a "Spoiler"? Answer - A Spoiler is a bidder who places a ridiculously high bid on an auction with no intention of honoring that bid.
On first glance, a Spoiler would appear to be a seller's best friend. After all, this bidder has ensured the maximum sale price for the item, right? Wrong. In fact, just the opposite is true.
The problem is that the Spoiler does not intend to pay this price - he (or she) never did. The Spoiler only entered their very high bid in order to guarantee a win by chasing out other bidders - hopefully long before the bidding has reached their maximum amount.
When other bidders are bidding against a Spoiler, they become discouraged after seeing themselves instantly outbid over and over again. They soon figure out that the Spoiler has bid far higher than they (the other bidders) are willing to go, and they often drop out long before they've placed their maximum bid.
The situation can become even more problematic when another bidder responds to the Spoiler by becomming frustrated and entering an unreasonably high bid themselves. Now all of a sudden, two people have placed sky-high bids on an item, and no one else will even consider this auction. The item will close at a very high price, but the seller will soon receive an email from the Spoiler explaining that the high bid was a mistake, their kid got into their eBay account, or whatever story they think will fly. The point is the Spoiler is not going to honor the bid.
And as for Second Chance Offers, the second-highest bidder really didn't intend to pay this high price, either. He (or she) was bidding out of frustration, curiosity or both, and they only wanted to see how high the Spoiler was willing to go. The second-highest bidder may have lost out to the Spoiler before and might be angry enough to punish them by forcing the Spoiler's bid up as high as they dare. By the time a seller is contacting the third-highest bidder, the item is most likely selling for much less than it would have in a fair auction."
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