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 Post subject: Re: Old Knuffel now available for Fairy Coins
Posted: Aug 24th, '13, 06:13    


Lan-neko

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That's definitely something to think about. The rule is still in place about no buying or selling knuffel between users, but the admin and moderators can't do anything if the transaction happens privately.
I feel like having the trade option open would encourage inflation even more..

I guess we'll all just see what the effects of this feature are in the next couple weeks or months. :mcshock:

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 Post subject: Re: Old Knuffel now available for Fairy Coins
Posted: Aug 24th, '13, 06:31    


Moi

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I'm glad I have all the knuffel up until this point.

Like stated, missing a few doesn't exclude you from any part of the site.
No one's forcing you to pay for them.

But as a collector I really think 15 FCs is a lot.
I've never even owned 15 FCs at one given time.
Let alone been able to donate to get 15 of them.


There is no strict rule about selling knuffel.
It's just extremely frowned on.
Firn doesn't like the idea of knuffel being items.
And it's also a very faulty thing to do.
Anyone can snatch the knuffel up and you lose your FPs.
And if that happens, there's no one to help you.
So it's really a gamble.



The reason for this is because the site needs donations.
This is not a greedy decision to make a huge profit.
That is not how this site works.
If you enjoy KofK then you really shouldn't complain that it's for FCs.
Without donations KofK will be gone forever.

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 Post subject: Re: Old Knuffel now available for Fairy Coins
Posted: Aug 24th, '13, 07:40    


ShortAxel

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I was extremely excited about this until I saw the price. I've hoped older Knuffel would be available for FC, but I really don't think this is going to help with donations much. I understand that KofK isn't doing well with donations, but a lot of people aren't doing well with just surviving. Unfortunately, I'm one of those people. I would never ever be mentally able to spend 15 FC on one Knuffel even if I could somehow afford it, that's $37.50! For my three most wanted Knuffel (G2 and two G4), that's $80!!!! I could get so much in real life, or even on other games, for either amount.

I'd be more than happy to save up to eventually get my dream Knuffels for 4 FC, but any higher and its just too much. If the Knuffels were affordable, I'm sure that would encourage many more purchases than their current prices do. If they were 2-4 FC each I'd be much more willing to save up and buy Knuffel, even ones that aren't my most wanted, whenever I can afford it because I do love the site.

I've loved KofK and my Knuffels for many years but usually the FC clothing just doesn't appeal to me, I have to be very picky with any spending money I get. I've never been unhappy with a donation I've made and I have been wanting to donate again, but I can't just buy FC for the sake of having it. Hopefully older Knuffel prices are drastically changed so there will be some reason for me to donate again.

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 Post subject: Re: Old Knuffel now available for Fairy Coins
Posted: Aug 24th, '13, 07:50    


Yokuutsu

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When you say HUGE profit, yeah that is greedy. No one should be making a forum community thinking about making a ton of profits. If they want that, they need to just copy Gaia and be done with it really. Make lots of Fairy Coin items and no food point items. Luckily this website isn't like that yet, but I can tell it's heading that way minus a gigantic user base. Anything costing 15FC is absolutely absurd. I believe that alone would be 37.50 and on Gaia someone might spend that much, but I doubt it will happen too much here. It just makes me realize that whoever decided that can't come up with another idea to raise money.

And it might increase donations to the extent of a few people buying a lot in the hopes of selling them for a lot (this idea may cause inflation a bit, maybe not) because of people wanting older knuffel, and for those who want the not so old knuffel, like 1 or 2 FC or so.

But in my case, I'm never donating again. Due to this because if this does work, I can see this place going the way of Gaia, and if I wanted that, I'd be active on Gaia. But I could be wrong. I hope I am even though I'm not too active here. This place is nice, but I'm afraid it could be going in a bad direction.

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 Post subject: Re: Old Knuffel now available for Fairy Coins
Posted: Aug 24th, '13, 08:50    


Kyunicorn

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From now on, hardly anyone would release their Knuffels for free, instead they will try to sell them, and as it's going to be way cheaper than purchasing from KT, some would go for it. But that means only very few might purchase from KT.
So I don't think this insane pricing would contribute to donations really.
If Firn wants this to work, reducing the price is crucial.

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 Post subject: Re: Old Knuffel now available for Fairy Coins
Posted: Aug 24th, '13, 09:07    


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i know that my opinion won't matter to most of you since i won't actually use the fc adoption method (i'm just not into knuffels as much) but i think the prices are fair.
i mean, really, if you like the knuffel so much, even if you're not willing to donate, what's stopping you from collecting foodpoints and getting the fcs from other users? i, for one, am proud to own the two 1st gen knuffels i like most, and i would feel cheated if they were suddenly available for everyone. if you want an oldie, work for it. it's just the same as with items, really.

and it really scares me when people are saying things like this:
Kyunicorn wrote:From now on, hardly anyone would release their Knuffels for free, instead they will try to sell them
i mean, really? you think so little of us other users?
and are you really willing to pay a bunch of fcs/fps for something that's actually a very unreliable method of getting a knuffel? i know i wouldn't.
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 Post subject: Re: Old Knuffel now available for Fairy Coins
Posted: Aug 24th, '13, 09:17    


Lan-neko

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I think what some people don't realize is that the owners don't make profit from this site. All donations go to paying for hosting and servers and such. From what I've seen, though I can't state as a fact, I'd say in the last year or so, donations have never totaled more than the cost to keep the site alive. So I honestly don't see this being done out of greed. Older users can definitely say that the owners have been trying a few different ways to encourage more donations (and more new users).

I'm not saying that this situation justifies having such high prices for the older generations, but seeing these things, I can sort of understand where Firn is coming from in setting them so high.

Though I must agree that reducing the price, even a little bit, would be beneficial in many ways. :mcshock:

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 Post subject: Re: Old Knuffel now available for Fairy Coins
Posted: Aug 24th, '13, 09:27    


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if there would be the chance to pay per paysafe card, more people would buy FC, because Paysafe is easier to get and it´s safe.

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 Post subject: Re: Old Knuffel now available for Fairy Coins
Posted: Aug 24th, '13, 09:33    


Foxy Turrets

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Well I'm going to state my opinion even though it's usually frowned upon.

I think it's true, not as many people will be dropping their Knuffel for free, but I do think some still will because there are a lot of caring users on here that like to help other users out. You can tell that much just from the charities available and the awesome items they give away, that's not including all the individual gifts given to users in private and so forth.
However, I also think that yes this will cause people, maybe a lot, to sell their Knuffel for more. I know, in all honesty, when I saw the prices for the older Knuffel my thought was how much I can get for selling my Knuffel, which I have been doing and will continue to do so, and how much MORE I can ask for them now.
For example, I sold a Gen 1 light for 60k recently. Now that I see how many FCs Firn is asking for a Gen 1 Light my first thought was 'Wow I could have asked a lot more if I had just waited until after this feature came out.' Because I see it as Firn has just put a price on Knuffel. I know she doesn't want/intend for that to happen, but as a Knuffel seller that's the first thing that came to mind for me personally.

As for this being some money hungry thing, I disagree. I know most people know how I feel about Firn personally, but as a member of the site since '08, though not very active anymore, I enjoy the site and feel a need to defend it. This isn't becoming like Gaia. Yes, the prices are large on some of the Knuffel, but I think it's a fair price. They aren't trying to get profit from this, they're trying to make the site servive. They have been in the red for well over a year, close to two if I remember correctly, and if that continues KofK will close down. They're simply trying to earn enough to keep the site going. If they make more than they need for this month, then great, they will put the extra money towards next month's payments. They aren't like Gaia trying to get you to buy them new cars and what not, so just relax.
This was hard for Firn to do, and people don't seem to be understanding that. She started Knuffel on Gaia and then created this website based on Knuffel, the avatars came as a side note basically. For her to do this and treat her Knuffel like items wasn't an easy thing for her, so this shows how bad they need donations.
Now, as I said I think the prices are fair, high, but fair. There are a certain number of Knuffel released and as the site has grown with users, that number has gone up to accommodate it. Firn had no intention of ever releasing more of the Knuffel once they were sold out because they're like a collectible item (sorry for calling them an item Firn) if you miss out, then you miss out and have to rely on other users to get the item. Since a lot people came here from Gaia think of it like this: You know the Halo on Gaia? The first donation item and how rare it is, think of that as Gen 1 Knuffels. Wouldn't you just LOVE a Halo, but it's damn impossible to get? That's the same as the Knuffel only Firn has actually gone against her own wants and cares and made it possible that you can get that Halo (in this case Knuffel) again. It's not going to be easy, and it shouldn't be. I have never wanted this feature to come out, because at one point I was a Knuffel collector and I was so proud that I had every single Knuffel released because I knew I worked hard for them then and was happy to show that. Once Firn started dropping Knuffel I gave up because my collection didn't seem as special anymore so I started selling them. Now, since this dreaded (by me) feature came out, I'm actually proud of the collection I once had, again, because I see how highly Firn values those Knuffel and understands they're rare, something that is supposed to be special, and you need to work hard to get.
So just stop complaining and be happy that you have a chance at all to get these Knuffel again. She listened to the users, she made them available again, so she didn't make it as easy as you wanted, so what? Do a little work and get the Knuffel. Over time, you'll get your money back from them via digging and leveling up. Might take time, but you'll make it back eventually.

Another thing that has crossed my mind is when people sell their Knuffel now, yeah the price might be up some, but hey most people will take items and FP instead of just FCs. So I don't think FC inflation will go up much. At first, yeah, probably, but it will come back down like it always does.

Anyway. That's my thoughts. Sorry for the novel. Been reading this thread and couldn't stay hushed anymore.

Edit: Knuffel don't sell out as fast you people are implying (I don't mean everyone that's posted here so sorry if I happen to offend) You don't need to donate all the money at once if you can't afford to.
If you already donate, then just donate another extra $5 or so a month. Get an extra 2 FC a month and set them aside for the Knuffel you want. Do it every month and slowly build up to getting the Knuffel you want.
If you can't justify spending 15FC on one Knuffel then fine, don't. No one is forcing you to. Try and find other ways to get the Knuffel, look to users for help still. Users love getting FCs in trades too so KofK would still be getting the donation help.

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 Post subject: Re: Old Knuffel now available for Fairy Coins
Posted: Aug 24th, '13, 11:33    


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