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 Post subject: Re: Trump
Posted: Jan 28th, '17, 04:09    


Pwale

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I think the scientists at the EPA know what's going on in their own offices. There are researchers at my university working very hard to collect independent copies of as much data as they can. People are going without sleep. We've got a neighborhood rotation going bringing food to people's houses while they work through the night (a lot of academics and scientists in my area because of the high number of schools). Whether you see it or not, this is happening.

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 Post subject: Re: Trump
Posted: Jan 28th, '17, 04:24    


Eva

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The scientists at the EPA have been putting ridiculous, expensive, business destroying restrictions on things for years, that only save like less than 1% of the environment. They also retroactively fine people/companies for things that they suddenly make illegal. They need better regulation themselves.

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 Post subject: Re: Trump
Posted: Jan 28th, '17, 04:26    


Pwale

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Let me ask you a question. Do you understand that climate change is a real and present threat?

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 Post subject: Re: Current Events
Posted: Jan 28th, '17, 05:21    


Eva

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Yes, but that has nothing to do with regulating businesses back to the stone age. The current quote en quote censorships that are happening, is so people don't cry that they're being oppressed while their practices and own regulations are being looked into *shrugs* happened anyway though XD

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 Post subject: Re: Current Events
Posted: Jan 28th, '17, 06:38    


Pwale

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The EPA is in charge of environmental regulations. Without the EPA, the United States has no agency prepared to respond to the threat of climate change, and without their research we lose decades worth of data. Leaving us helpless before a real and present threat. They are also in charge of monitoring and collecting data on thousands of different research projects around the world. EPA regulations are what keep water safe to drink, air safe to breathe. They are absolutely necessary to protecting human beings and the environment from pollution, toxins, radiation and other forms of destruction. I do not agree that businesses are being regulated back to the stone age. In fact, areas that embrace green energy are thriving.

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 Post subject: Re: Current Events
Posted: Jan 28th, '17, 08:19    


Eva

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Not only is Trump not going to eliminate the EPA but he physically cannot without agreement from congress. So far it looks like he's just trying to regulate them a little for a change. And their regulations may have the intent of keeping the water and air (etc) safe, but they don't actually do much when it happens, like Flint for example.
The purpose/intent of the current regulation of the EPA is to keep them from making similar mistakes like they have before such as:
Trying to shut down the steel industry during the vietnam war.
Being found by non-government scientists to "often tailor its science to justify what it wants to do and shields key research from peer review."
The EPA is known for sensationalizing hazards to an extreme degree to push it's own agenda on things that have been proven to have miniscule bad effects. The administrative members have even been known to ignore their own scientists to push an agenda they had already set in motion (ie. the asbestos issue not being nearly as bad as the EPA wanted us to believe, despite university and their own scientists saying otherwise).
In 1997 the head of the EPA admitted that new research would be required to set a “scientifically defensible” standard for air quality issues that would “fill obvious and critical voids in our knowledge.” Standards they'd already created and implemented but had to go back on because they acted rashly. The EPA also blatantly broke federal law by actively lobbying against previous legislation designed to curb some of EPA’s abuses.

There's a ton more information on things they've done that are just ridiculous, all of which I got from Forbes.

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 Post subject: Re: Current Events
Posted: Jan 28th, '17, 13:27    


Pwale

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The EPA does not have the authority to take control of a municipality. The EPA does have the authority to test water for lead and publish the results, which was what they tried to do in Flint but their studies kept being buried by the Republican administration running the state. This has been established by numerous independent investigation teams.

Trump has publicly stated on numerous occasions that he does not "believe" in climate change. The EPA nominee, Pruitt, has also made statements doubting the existence of climate change. It's not the EPA that's in danger of being shut down, it's the EPA's work on climate change that is in danger.

Personally, I'll stand with the EPA over corporations any day, and proudly. Are there problems? Of course, there are always problems with any government agency. But the EPA's job is to save lives and protect nature. A corporation's job is to exploit as much as it can for profit.

However, none of this in any way contradicts what is actually happening, which is that scientists in DC are turning to a network of researchers all across academia to try and preserve as much climate change data as possible and that people are working through the night to achieve this. How you choose to interpret the implications of this fact is, of course, entirely up to you.

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 Post subject: Re: Current Events
Posted: Jan 28th, '17, 15:21    


saiyouri

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I'm gonna keep out hope that things don't go the wrong way with this stuff. Only way to keep me sane and happy right now. I saw the interview with Laurence Fishbourne on Daily Show and I loved it. Even how he calls Trump "45". I prefer that way of addressing him. He even said that there are people out there trying to band together and I guess try to fix things like the Clintons and Obamas. We should be looking to them if I'm right he said as well. Oh and paying attention to what 45 is doing is not going to make things any better. I guess in a sense it's saying pay attention to the people trying to make the change instead. In a way it's smart. Otherwise we'd be too upset all the time and can't think straight for sure. Even with how stupid 45 is .... Not like that needs to be mentioned at all.

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 Post subject: Re: Current Events
Posted: Jan 28th, '17, 16:01    


Eva

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Well from the evidence I provided, the EPA is becoming more and more like a corporation itself. However, whether Trump believes in climate change or not, I hope he doesn't destroy evidence of it being an issue, that doesn't really help anything :/. However there is a great deal of proof also that this sort of global warming is a natural, reoccuring phenomenon that the Earth goes through. We've had several ice ages that have then re-thawed. So I dunno, I dunno why the government no matter who's in charge, feels the need to make everything so black and white, there is so much we don't know as a species.

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 Post subject: Re: Current Events
Posted: Jan 28th, '17, 16:30    


Pwale

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In the past, ice ages and the eventual ending of ice ages have always been accompanied by mass extinctions, so even if virtually every scientist in the world is wrong about climate change today being the result of human activity, that's not a great comfort. I don't understand why people bring up ice ages as a reason not to be alarmed by climate change. The last real ice age killed off the other branches of the human species (see Denisovans).

Also...the planet it getting warmer. Ice ages aren't really a concern...

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