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Re: The 2018 Reading Challenge
Posted: Apr 16th, '18, 03:21
by Murkka
School is no help if you want to learn something. It just takes your time away. At least for me...
Right now I'm starting to read Agatha Christie's books (original English version). Wish me luck
Re: The 2018 Reading Challenge
Posted: Apr 16th, '18, 06:05
by Ghost
@murkka Completely agree. After i graduated I felt like i'd just been wasting my life away, and then i had to figure out how to get the motivation to do anything again. You do learn some things, but it didn't really seem justified in the end, for me at least.
Re: The 2018 Reading Challenge
Posted: Apr 16th, '18, 11:30
by jacobgrey
I really want to learn sign language. I don't know any deaf people but it feels like a nice skill to have just in case.
Re: The 2018 Reading Challenge
Posted: Apr 16th, '18, 15:07
by Sanssouci
I loved school. I don't remember most of what I learned. But I don't remember most things, so I can't blame that on school lol!
I don't know any deaf people either. It's one of those random things I've always wanted to learn!
Re: The 2018 Reading Challenge
Posted: Apr 16th, '18, 17:14
by jacobgrey
I loved school too. But I've always been self-motived. By the time I got to A-Levels I would skip classes if I didn't think the teacher was good enough, and just teach myself using the textbooks and online materials XD I also took a lot of extra and after-school classes, so I made a lot of my time there and even things that weren't useful in themselves felt like good life experiences.
Re: The 2018 Reading Challenge
Posted: Apr 20th, '18, 14:22
by AliceON
what do you do when you like the content but its creator has a view of life that you don't support? like a cool artist says sexist and transphobic things. or a cool writer posts an article on coco chanel that mentions she was "allegedly" a nazi-supporter and that's all it says about this part of her biography. do you keep consuming their art/tutorials/book/youtube? or remove such creators from your life?
Re: The 2018 Reading Challenge
Posted: Apr 20th, '18, 18:49
by jacobgrey
I find this really hard. And it's so relevant right now. For example, I was a big fan of (comedian) Aziz Ansari and I loved his Netflix show. Since I found out that he sexually harassed someone, I just haven't been able to go back and watch the next episode because it bothers me a lot. I feel like it might fade over time if he does enough good things now to balance it out, but I felt a bit betrayed when it came out because he puts himself across as one of the good guys who actually gets what it's like for women to feel preyed upon, and he turned out to be a predator anyway.
But then there are other people who I struggle with their personality but love their work so much. Like Karl Lagerfeld is always saying really stupid things in interviews, but I wear a hat from his brand almost every time I go out. I don't know if that's hypocritical. I guess his comments bother me less than Ansari's actions did.
I guess my conclusion is go with your gut... sometimes you can get past the author to see the work, sometimes your conscience won't allow you.
Re: The 2018 Reading Challenge
Posted: Apr 21st, '18, 02:03
by Sanssouci
I'll often still look at or read their stuff if it's free. But I will usually try to avoid buying anything because I try not to line the pockets of people like that, you know?
Re: The 2018 Reading Challenge
Posted: Apr 21st, '18, 11:27
by AliceON
questions to that too: is it morally ok to consume content if you don't want to give back? does the traffic you're creating on their platform count as payment? is it again morally ok to get past the author by just not knowing what they are and not researching? is not knowing an excuse? are we responsible to check the personal views of creators before we consume what they make?
then we have cases like lovecraft. if you haven't read the classic of horror and fantasy, it's your loss, not the creator's. on the other hand, dead people don't benefit from their work. so is death an eraser for our conscience? then there's that fantasy writer who sexually assaulted her own daughter and all post-mortem profits from her books go to a fund for victims of abuse. so is death not an eraser then?
Re: The 2018 Reading Challenge
Posted: Apr 21st, '18, 12:23
by Ghost
Sanssouci wrote:I'll often still look at or read their stuff if it's free. But I will usually try to avoid buying anything because I try not to line the pockets of people like that, you know?
I think this is a good point. If their content still brings you joy, there's nothing wrong with that. You don't have to support them to appreciate their content and their talents. I don't know who specifically you're talking about but I guess it just depends on how much you disagree with them and whether or not their positive traits justify or outweigh their negative ones, in your own personal opinion.
wulfilalice wrote:questions to that too: is it morally ok to consume content if you don't want to give back?
I would say that it's good to give back when you can, especially if you really like their content and want them to keep creating more of it. but its not a necessity if it's something like YouTube, for example. In this case, you don't have to pay to watch videos, however, if you would like to support the creator there are other options like donating through patreon or buying their merch, which you obviously don't have to do.
does the traffic you're creating on their platform count as payment?
I feel like I can only talk for YouTube, because that's pretty much all I use, but if their videos are monetised then, yes, watching their videos, or more specifically watching and clicking on ads, does count as payment as this is how they get paid. I'm not too sure about other platforms though.
is it again morally ok to get past the author by just not knowing what they are and not researching? is not knowing an excuse? are we responsible to check the personal views of creators before we consume what they make?
I don't think you should feel responsible for researching a person's opinions before consuming their content. If everyone felt the moral need to research a person's views before consuming content then no content would be consumed because we all have different views, and you won't find a creator who's opinions you would completely agree with. Let's say you absolutely hated someone as a person and disagreed with a lot of their opinions. I would think more highly of you as a person if you were able to still acknowledge the fact that you think they have good content or are good at what they do even though you don't like them. I think my point here is that even if you did know their views, you liking someone's content does not have to mean that you like them as a person? I'm not sure if i'm answering your question here properly..
Also another thing to keep in mind, even if you research their opinions and views, you may agree with everything they have said, but they could have an opinion that you very strongly disagree with, enough to not want to consume their content anymore, which they have not publicly talked about. You can really never know for sure, they could also lie about their unpopular opinions so that people like them more and consume their content more. This is quite a complicated subject, there's a lot that can be talked about with this but i think if you just support you creators you love in the present and consume the content you enjoy, then that's the best you can do.
(I just realised i've been formulating this response for over an hour, it's such a thought-provoking topic)