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 Post subject: Re: Trump
Posted: May 1st, '16, 05:35    


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Pffft. All those dislikes xD


I have a strong dislike for Trump.
Everyone I talk to in real life thinks he's an asshole and hope he doesn't win.

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 Post subject: Re: Trump
Posted: May 1st, '16, 13:21    


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Let's just hope there's enough of us who think that way to stop him! :qsweat:

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 Post subject: Re: Trump
Posted: May 1st, '16, 14:52    


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Pwale, that is rather interesting. How he introduced it.
The one thing I am wondering is what Trump would
think of it. I have a bad feeling he's gonna win.
I sure the hell hope I am wrong. Soooo hope I am wrong. But
if he did. What would he think? To me it could be two different
ways. He is ok with it since how much he hates women or he
could be against it because of how much he hates women.
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 Post subject: Re: Trump
Posted: May 1st, '16, 17:06    


Pwale

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I think he'd oppose it. So much of Trump's psyche seems to be wrapped up in his sense of his own superiority, and being superior to women is an important part of that for him. He definitely doesn't see women as being fully formed self-aware human beings with their own agency to make their own decisions about their lives, communities and bodies. The fact that he sexualizes even his own daughters tells me that this is a man who really and truly cannot see a women for who she is.

So of course he can't acknowledge that women are just as capable of being warriors as men.

Never mind that there have been plenty of female warriors and soldiers throughout human history, even entire armies of women warriors--such as the Dahomey army, for example. The Dahomey army was an all-women force that was founded sometime in the 1600s and lasted for centuries until the Dahomey kingdom (in West Africa) fell to the French at the end of the 1800s. Europeans even called these women Amazons and they were respected and feared for being more lethal and braver than any all-male fighting force in the world at the time.

But of course, this is an example from West Africa, so obviously it wouldn't be taken seriously by policy makers today because not only were the people in this army women, they were BLACK women. Black women who were then colonized by the French and so, like most other cultures that were colonized, it is as if they never existed. They, and the many contributions these warrior women made to the world over the multi-century course history of their military organization, have been purged from the history books.

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 Post subject: Re: Trump
Posted: May 1st, '16, 17:11    


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I mean, I feel like anyone who is capable of looking at a woman and seeing anything other than a piece of meat would never ever in a million years talk about his infant daughter in sexualized terms.

In case you haven't seen the clip, here's the link: http://www.cc.com/video-clips/8wmfl1/th ... f-misogyny

I couldn't find a non-daily show clip, because it's a pretty old source, but even without the jokes the clip speaks for itself.

I mean, who the hell would do that? WHY would anyone do that?! WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH THIS PERSON?!?!?!

Is it possible to retroactively call Social Services? Or maybe we should form a class action law suit against every person who saw this stupid show in 1994 and DIDN'T call Social Services? Because someone really should have. Really, really, really should have....

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 Post subject: Re: Trump
Posted: May 1st, '16, 17:29    


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One of the arguments I keep hearing about women in the American military is that putting women on the front lines would be helping ISIS.

Now THAT pisses me off, because FIRST OF ALL the people who are currently fighting ISIS the hardest and the most effectively ARE WOMEN.

Repeat: WOMEN.

Specifically, Kurdish women who are probably the most incredible, heroic and inspiring warriors on the face of the planet today.

http://nytlive.nytimes.com/womeninthewo ... ir-heaven/

These women are not only incredible, but they scare the ever loving shit out of the terrorists they're fighting, because ISIS fighters believe they cannot go to heaven if they are killed by a woman.

Which brings me to the second point. Not only are women ALREADY fighting ISIS, but they are the most effective people to fight ISIS because ISIS fighters are terrified of them.

So obviously this idea that sending women to fight ISIS would be "helping" ISIS is nothing more than systemic misogyny on behalf of American lawmakers. And screw that.

Of course, I hate having to make this argument because I don't support war generally, I'm not a fan of the military industrial complex, I believe the military fosters a culture of sexual abuse and I think the situation in the Middle East is an inescapable quagmire. But regardless of my personal beliefs about the ethicality of war, this idea that women don't make good warriors is flat out wrong. Wrong to the point where even someone like me, who is generally anti-war, is saying that of course women CAN be soldiers and anyone who says otherwise is lying to themselves.

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 Post subject: Re: Trump
Posted: May 1st, '16, 23:51    


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I always hated when people say women are too weak to do something.
Actually, I came across a comment not long ago that stated "That's why women should never be in charge - they think with their hearts and not their brains!" And they ended that with quoting a famous man who said women have brains of Swiss cheese.

If all women think with their hearts, then all men think with their dicks.


I tend to fear men, and not fear women, but I have done all kinds of research on serial killers and killers in general, and there's some evil fucking women in this world.
There's also women who can kick ass just as good as they can bake a cake.
So I wouldn't underestimate a woman because she is a woman xD

Also, I don't know if it was fake, but there was a video of a woman beating up four men.
The martial arts she used were real, but I don't know if it was a stunt or legit footage.
Either way, they got knocked the fuck out :U

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 Post subject: Re: Trump
Posted: May 2nd, '16, 06:48    


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The Kurdish women units are pretty wicked.

How do you guys feel about the other major candidates, other than Trump? I kinda skimmed so I'm sorry if it's been discussed already. Inb4 this is a Trump thread so if I'm outta line then I sorryyy.

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 Post subject: Re: Trump
Posted: May 2nd, '16, 13:45    


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No worries! We talk about all kinds of things on this thread!

I have mixed feelings about all the candidates. Except Cruz and Trump, who I am 100% sure are evil and/or dangerous. No doubts in my mind about that.

I like Sanders a lot. We share a lot in common, background wise, and his political and policy views also match my own. I've also met him through my work at a small production studio in New England and I've spent many hours of my life editing footage of him. If I do have one reservation about Sanders, it's that I've spent the last 8 years watching our current president be stymied by an intractable Republican-controlled Congress, a situation that a President Sanders would almost certainly inherit, and while Sanders is an excellent speaker and policy maker he's not exactly the best politician. He's a little...cranky. And snappish. And there is very little chance that Congress would behave any differently for him than they have for Obama. So I think he'd make a good president, but I'm not certain how much he'd actually be able to get done.

I kind of feel bad for Kasich. By all accounts he's a decent fellow, if a little behind the times. And I definitely think he deserved more of a fair hearing by the voters than he ever got, but what do you expect when you start a primary race with over 20 people? I mean, just saying it now sounds absurd....
I don't think he'd make a good president. He's got lots of great management experience, but there is a huge difference between management and leadership. And his performance in the race thus far tells me he's not a very effective politician, something that I believe is both necessary to being a good president and weirdly out of fashion with the voters this cycle. Plus he shut down most of the Planned Parenthood clinics in Ohio, and regardless of how anyone feels personally about abortion itself those clinics are often the only access poor women have to health care such as cancer screenings, contraception, STI/STD testing and pap smears. I believe that just shutting these clinics down without offering a viable, affordable, quality alternative demonstrates either a flawed understanding of the services Planned Parenthood provides to a community or a dangerous disregard for the communities being served.

Clinton....well.......
I go back and forth a lot on Clinton. I kind of want to like her, but........sigh. I don't even quite know how to explain my feelings.
But I do think she'd make a good president. And that's the sad thing, kind of. All the things she does that drive me up the wall--the cunning, the opportunism, the schmoozing, they way she never leaves the mainstream even when she has to tie herself into knots to do it--all those things are qualities that have, over the course of our history as a country, proven very useful as presidential traits. And she's already got a working relationship with foreign leaders, which is one of the biggest learning curve other presidents have had.........
Ugh. I dunno. I really think she's going to be the next President and I REALLY wish I could be more excited about the first female president.
But I take comfort in this thought: Hillary Clinton would be the sort of President who would listen. If I, as a citizen, had an argument to make and I made it effectively, and I convinced other people to get on board, and we got organized and we started building a movement and we got even more people involved until there were enough of us to get media attention and to bring our argument into the national conversation (which, fortunately, are all things I'm trained to do), I really believe that Hillary Clinton is the sort of president who would listen. Maybe not agree, but at least listen, and that's really the best any of us can hope for from our leaders. I mean, who cares if we wouldn't get along personally? I don't need to be "friends" with my president.

So that's what I think about everyone currently in. Oh! There's also Gary Johnson and Jill Stein. Johnson from the Libertarian party, Stein for the Green. I don't know much about Johnson other than he was the former governor of New Mexico, but Stein runs for the Green party every election. She's great, but it's unlikely that she'll ever be acknowledged by the mainstream.

So yup, those are my personal feelings. At this point in time. They may change soon. My feelings are all very confusing during this election. It's probably going to take years of therapy to recover.

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 Post subject: Re: Trump
Posted: May 2nd, '16, 16:12    


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Interesting read Pwale.
Thank you for all of that. I truly appreciated reading it all.
Your perspective on Clinton was refreshing. Makes you think
about her in a different light from all the crap going on
the media about her. Which I honestly have yet to figure
out what it all means. >.> I should work on that one.

And yes the whole Trump and daughter thing is... ya...
bad....
Your thoughts on Sanders are great pointers. And Clinton
does seem to be the one president that would listen to
us.

The women warriors HAHA that was so nice to read as well.
And them saying we wouldn't make good soldiers is more
ridiculous now than it was before. I'm wondering how
far this bill will even make it to be honest. They might of
passed it but to be honest. Too many people might be
throwing a fit over it, men and women including. And
considering alot of the people of this country as heavy
christians... They will never agree to something like this.
Goes against all their crap. No offense intended. I read
too much horror about the religions beginnings and it
going with my own existential crisis as a child. Ya
needless to say I am far from a christian believer. SO
I don't intend any offense to anyone.

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