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 Post subject: Re: The 2018 Reading Challenge
Posted: Nov 28th, '18, 19:32    


jacobgrey

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If it was done skillfully, they should be there as a subtle influence that comes out later and makes you go "OHHHH OKAY" rather than just being there as a way for the author to do fanservice to those who read the other books. Like, you should understand their purpose, and there should be a feeling of foreshadowing before that they will be important somehow.

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 Post subject: Re: The 2018 Reading Challenge
Posted: Nov 28th, '18, 19:40    


Akili Li

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you mean they should serve the plot in some fashion? No, that's not quite what you're saying is it? I'm afraid I don't really quite grasp that.

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 Post subject: Re: The 2018 Reading Challenge
Posted: Nov 28th, '18, 22:04    


jacobgrey

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They should serve the plot, but also it should be clear that they will serve the plot.

An example: I recently watched a play where part of the set included a "swimming pool" (actually it was very shallow) with real water in it. The second they established that it was real water, I thought, okay, someone is definitely going in that. Later on in the play, someone was pushed into the water.
Until that moment, the pool really served no purpose: it was just something pretty in the background. But I, as the viewer, could discern that it would come into action later.

So, the "extra" characters should be something like that. You think to yourself, hmm, I bet the fact that they are a karate expert will be important later on; or, wow, so they're adopted, I wonder if the real identity of their parents will be important. Something that makes you understand this person is probably not superfluous, even if you can't put your finger on it, until the next book when they have to go up against a kung fu master or you find out that the evil guy is their father.

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 Post subject: Re: The 2018 Reading Challenge
Posted: Nov 28th, '18, 23:18    


Sanssouci

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Yeah, I like when everything contributes to the story in some way. It can be foreshadowing, part of the plot, setting the scene, letting us get to know the character, whatever. Just some sort of contribution. And that's not happening with this book. I mean, I'm not done with it yet, so some people/things could still pop up again and be important. But I've only got 50 pages to go, and half the book seemed completely unimportant. So it can't possibly all suddenly become important in only 50 pages. Basically, the book should have been half the length that it is! I kind of hope it's characters from other books making cameos because that would at least explain why. But this is the first time I've read anything of hers, so if it's other characters making cameos, it's lost on me, and I definitely won't be in a hurry to read anything else of hers!

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 Post subject: Re: The 2018 Reading Challenge
Posted: Nov 29th, '18, 05:01    


MissNikki

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Gotta hate a crappy book. Ugh! :mccry:

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 Post subject: Re: The 2018 Reading Challenge
Posted: Nov 29th, '18, 09:00    


LittleJulez

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Yea I agree with you guys, there needs to be a purpose and also, as jacob says, one as a reader has to be able to forshadow what might happen.

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 Post subject: Re: The 2018 Reading Challenge
Posted: Nov 29th, '18, 22:24    


Sanssouci

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I finished The Duchess. I thought I had about 50 pages left to go, but it turns out that I had about half that because the end bit was actually just a preview for one of her other books. As expected, half the people and events didn't matter at all! It could have been pretty good, but as is it was mediocre.

Here's a full summary spoiler for anyone who's interested:
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A duke has a son and a daughter. The son is kind of a turd, and the duke is much closer with the daughter, but he has to leave everything to the son. But he's able to sneak some money to the daughter right before he dies. Since the son owns everything, he kicks the daughter out of the house right away and tells her to go live with his friends and be their nanny. She works there for a year and a half, and it goes very well. But then one of the people's drunken friends tries to rape her. She's able to fight him off, but he's angry. So he tells the people that she tried to seduce him. They say they don't want a whore taking care of their kids, so they fire her. She then dips into the money from her father to get a hotel room. She then finds a prostitute who has been beaten and left in a gutter. She brings the prostitute back to her room to clean up and heal. The prostitute tells her that there are a lot of pimps and madams, but they abuse the girls and hardly give them any money. So the daughter decides to use some of her father's money to buy a house and to be a better madam, and she invites the girl and her friends to live and work in her house. So that goes very well for a year and a half. Then one of the men shoots and kills another man at the brothel. So the daughter decides to go far away for a while to let things cool off to avoid a scandal. While away, she met a man, got married, and had a son. Her husband died in an accident a few years later. Between her father's money, her brothel money, and her dead husband's money, she was very rich. Her brother, on the other hand, had gambled all his money away and was selling their family home. So she bought it, and her son will be the next duke when the brother dies because the brother never had any sons. The end. But then throw in lots of descriptions of clothes, the same things being repeated many times, tons of descriptions of how she's so beautiful and everyone loves her so much, lots of extra characters who make no difference at all, etc

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 Post subject: Re: The 2018 Reading Challenge
Posted: Nov 30th, '18, 08:39    


Akili Li

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that sounds like a book I would not have finished. >.<

You have more fortitude than I, Sanssouci! Kudos for finishing!

I've been rereading Jasper Fforde's "Thursday Next" series. It's first person which I usually don't care for at all but his writing is so much FUN that I usually end up being able to set that aside and get into things. It seems like every time I read them, I recognize more of the references. Things I didn't even register the first time through and am finally picking up on.

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I want to buy or trade for these knuffels:
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 Post subject: Re: The 2018 Reading Challenge
Posted: Nov 30th, '18, 22:06    


Sanssouci

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I got a decent amount of reading done today. I finished The Thirteenth Princess. It was pretty good. It was a YA book, a 12 dancing princesses story.

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 Post subject: Re: The 2018 Reading Challenge
Posted: Nov 30th, '18, 22:14    


Akili Li

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For a second I thought you meant "The Thirteenth Child" which I love, but that's an entirely different book. I've not read the Thirteenth Princess. Glad you found one that you actually liked, though, after the last dud!

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