Kingdom of Knuffel

I'm vaccinated and I don't really know anyone that isn't.

What Mrow is saying makes sense to me. Everyone should get basic information about vaccines before graduating, that information is really necessary...

To me it sounds like a good plan to actually protect the society from these diseases by decreasing the risks and adding extra benefits (and downsides for non-healthrelated vaccine refusal)

Above all I'd like to add that it doesn't only affect your children and yourself. I have friends that are actually reliant on group vaccinations. They never would survive if most of the people here weren't vaccinated. They have a disorder that makes it dangerous to get some of these illnesses and vaccinations are just as dangerous.

So basically. You're not just denying a certain degree of protection to your children or yourself, you're actually critically endangering a certain part of the society you live in (including children) seeing as most of the vaccines are for dangerous illnesses and not just a little bug that quickly passes.
There's a good reason why researchers put that much time into developping a vaccin. It's because, all possible side-effects taken into account, vaccines still end up being 'better' than getting the illness and the risks that come with it.

I think what Mrow has said is what needs doing. I'm 24 now, I admit I don't know what boosters I need even though I am pro-vax.

Some of the things posted on the facebook page 'things anti-vaxxers say' make me really cringe and wonder about the mentality of those people. No offence to anyone here if that offends but some of the things like using Colloidal silver as a way to make them or their kid better, etc just baffle me.

My previous post still stands though. Vaccinations need to happen. Measles was officially gone in QLD Australia a few years ago but it's back again.

Yeah. Illnesses like that can evolve easily and make a comeback. All the more reason to get vaccines. If they're already extinct it's that much harder for that disease to return. It's also healthier for the public in general.

To be honest, I don't know half the vaccines I've taken, but out here they're distributed via the schools (and everyone is obliged to take school until they're 16 now, so that's 'handy'). So basically everyone in our country that grew up here got these vaccines. The downside is that we live in a very central region of the EU (so inside the EU travel is nearly unchecked and easy) and get plenty of tourists from countries that don't have this policy, so it's nigh on impossible to erradicate certain diseases...

oh I got all mine in high school and primary school but I mean there are some that do need boosters (I forget which ones) again as they can expire in the immunity after like approximately 10 yearsish.

So yeah. Boosters are expensive though :(

Well I don't think mealses has changed that much over the years since it was eradicated. But it's come back to Brisbane AUS twice in the last two or so years. So lucky each time I've been out in Brisbane like a week or so after said person with it was there. Though I've had that vax. Just not sure if I need a booster for it or not.

ah. Our GP keeps an eye on that for us, but you can always check that up yourself if you want in between. We als get notifications of some newer vaccines you can get if you want (not obliged yet) and often times they'll be cheaper cause part of its cost will be returned to you via the government. It's really a good system for getting vaccines, though I can imagine if there's no caresystem in your country the penalties for not being vaccinated may be a better working incentive...

Makes me happy to see so many for Vaccinations. Living in America I see all these people insisting that vaccines are bad and will cause stuff like Autism. I just want to say, that even if it were possible to 'catch' autism (which you can't because autism is something determined before you are even born) it's not the worst thing in the world. I have autism. It's a high-functioning form, but it's still autism.

My cousin is crazy, and this kind of stuff is right up her ally. She is a conspiracy theorist and will believe almost anything told to her. She believes Vaccines can cause autism.

I remember watching that episode of L&O SVU, the woman was against it and even though her child got sick and survived, a young baby did die and right away she insists it's the other mother's fault. If some of the stuff from that episode is true, then there are actually places that specifically help with negative side effects from vaccines.

One of the things I remember the most is this video on youtube I saw with Penn and Teller. Lemme find it real quick....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfdZTZQvuCo

I just don't get it. If you get even a basic education you should be aware that viruses spread through so many ways and you can't stop them unless you hit them at the source and make the human being immune. If not it not only harms you, but everyone around you. I mean. If you know you're not harmed, but as a passive carrier you can kill a baby by just being in the same room as it, wouldn't you want to stop that?

I know that if we weren't as well vaccinated, there's a hig possibility I'd have already killed one of my best friends simply by carrying over a weak strain of a disease. Let alone if I actually had any of the ilnesses I'm vaccinated for (and that used to be rampant in these regions)...

I just don't know how people can know these things and still think it's 'someone elses problem'...

As a kid I'd get vaccinations, but recently I've gone without any and I've been just fine. In fact, my family and the news/media has said things about them being more dangerous for people nowadays (but my folks are super paranoid, so I wouldn't always heed such things; I just honestly can't afford it and would rather be safe).

Curiously, does anyone think sometimes hype to prevent illness sometimes is actually more dangerous to you (such as bad chemicals in health foods and medicines and things like this, etc.)?

I am aware of certain hypes that can cause damage to both health and the environment. I'm also quite aware that plenty of these dangers go ignored.

I usually look into what I'm buying and avoid the most chemical items (usually because they don't actually taste better, you do taste the difference most of the time), but when it comes to vaccines, the ones that are allowed in my country have gone through severe checks to make sure they're as safe as can be. I think there was one vaccine that wasn't safe and they immediately removed it from the apothecaries and had everyone that purchased one brought to a hospital just to make sure nothing would happen. (seeing as it wasn't officially promoted by the health services the number of people wasn't that big) It's only happened once as far as I remember and my parents don't remember that happening before really... So I guess I'm a bit limited in experience to answer that...
Seeing as one of my friends has an immunity disorder, I've always kept check of my vaccines. Payement isn't really a problem here either since we get it refunded once we've had the vaccination. So I guess to me it's more of a precaution against friends getting ill then myself half the time (unless I travel, then I get whichever booster/vaccine I need for my own health)

Is it very different where you live?