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 Post subject: Re: Trump
Posted: Dec 21st, '16, 02:18    


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No idea why peple won't release anything. I wouldn't even listen or watch that stuff if people did release stuff like that. Rather not be reminded about what kind of person he is.

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 Post subject: Re: Trump
Posted: Dec 21st, '16, 02:22    


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Eva wrote:So then really, the Trump N-word thing is just hearsay, not based in any fact. People can literally say whatever they want about a person but if there is no truth, no basis in fact, why does everyone keep parroting it like it actually happened? This has happened so much in this election with all the candidates on a wide variety of topics it's absolutely absurd. "I heard this" So I'm going to tell everyone else that it's true. That is one of the biggest problems with USA today, people don't care to do research, don't care to prove truth behind rumor, they hear something and they run with it like one giant, terrifying game of telephone.

There will be no muslim registry, not once has Trump said this and when asked to clarify multiple times he has said that is not his intention. He has harkened to the screening of individuals from terrorist run countries, which was already in place under Bush and Obama, and said that he will intensify that.

We are a capitalistic society and while that may not be the best way for the USA to be run, it is how it is, currently. That said, trade is crucial to our country running properly and if we are getting raw deals across the board, we will continue to decline and other countries like China, will own us. Of the foreign countries that own parts of the USA's massive debt, China and Japan are at the top. Yet apart from hacking and slashing necessary systems to the USA's support structure and people, we have no way of ever paying that debt off with the state of the trade agreements as they are. No one is gunning for world war or armed conflict, at least Trump isn't. He has only said he wants to stabilize the US economy and ability to stand and produce on it's own before we are run dry with other endeavors. Hillary was the one that wanted us to continue to wage war (for free mind you) for other countries, to try and stabilize the world in that way, when us getting involved in armed conflict was what caused that instability in the first place.

I sincerely disagree that "implicit bias" is biological. I would say it is more socially inherited, who you are raised by, with and around etc. I am curious how you work to confront injustice if it is not your actual job, honestly.
So then really, the Trump N-word thing is just hearsay, not based in any fact. I, at least, have not said that I can prove Trump used the N-word in that specific instance. I try very hard to find evidence to back up any accusations I make. He has said plenty of other deeply offensive things that I can present evidence of. Specifically, I would point to him taking out a full-page ad in the New York Times calling for the death penalty for the Central Park 5 (who were innocent). Here is a history of Donald Trump's overt racism going back to the 1970s. http://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12270880/d ... sm-history

I absolutely agree that we are experiencing what I call a crisis of understanding. No one seems to agree what a fact even is. This is horrifying. It is Orwellian in the extreme. This is part of why I thoroughly research any political issue before writing about it.

There will be no muslim registry Not if I or the NAACP or the ACLU or the Southern Poverty Law Center or the Anti-Defamation League or the Democratic Party or countless others have anything to say about it, there won't. But Trump's National Security Adviser has described Islam as a cancer--which is Islamophobic and just as unacceptable to me as any other form of prejudice. It is important to also look at the people Trump is putting in his cabinet when we are trying to predict which (often conflicting) policy proposals he will actually try to implement.

Currently, the official stance of the transition team is that the registry is "under consideration". (See this snopes report: http://www.snopes.com/2016/11/17/trump- ... -registry/ ) Members of the team have cited Japanese internment and NSEERS as precedent. Personally, I also opposed NSEERS when it was in effect.

not once has Trump said this and when asked to clarify multiple times he has said that is not his intention.
Here is a video of him endorsing a registry in 2015. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 24511.html

Trump has also called for mosques to be surveilled. This is both morally wrong and arguably unconstitutional (though this same thing has happened repeatedly throughout American history, especially recently). http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/15/politics/ ... veillance/

Yet apart from hacking and slashing necessary systems to the USA's support structure and people, we have no way of ever paying that debt off with the state of the trade agreements as they are.
Countries actually have a lot of ways to deal with debt. Edit: Closing loopholes in the tax system for the wealthiest citizens would be one way to generate more revenue to pay down the debt without touching necessary support services. Trump has pledged to cut taxes for the wealthy. End Edit/ Diplomacy has proven extremely effective in handling our debts with China. Our debt to China is actually going down. My area of expertise is international politics and grassroots movements, not finance or trade, so I can't explain the issue very well, but this CNN story is an up-to-date review of the complexities of our relationship with China as it relates to the debt. http://money.cnn.com/2016/12/16/investi ... reasuries/

I sincerely disagree that "implicit bias" is biological. I would say it is more socially inherited, who you are raised by, with and around etc.
You're right, it is caused by those things as well. Those social factors help shape our brains physically in our formative years. This is part of why early exposure to different cultures is beneficial for young children developmentally.
Here is a great explanation of implicit bias: http://kirwaninstitute.osu.edu/research ... icit-bias/

And I also recommend checking out this site, where you can participate in research studies at Harvard about implicit bias. https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/

Edit: One of the differences between prejudice and implicit bias is that prejudice is learned but our brains are hard-wired for bias

I am curious how you work to confront injustice if it is not your actual job, honestly.
I volunteer. I show up to community events. I talk to people. I participate in social justice movements.
I also major in Social Justice and Advocacy (switched from International Politics to focus on grassroots organizing as the focal point of my academic work) and I work for a production company that specializes in documenting grassroots movements all over the world.

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 Post subject: Re: Trump
Posted: Dec 21st, '16, 02:23    


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saiyouri wrote:No idea why peple won't release anything. I wouldn't even listen or watch that stuff if people did release stuff like that. Rather not be reminded about what kind of person he is.
The person who owns the footage is personal friends with Trump.

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 Post subject: Re: Trump
Posted: Dec 21st, '16, 03:00    


saiyouri

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That would explain it for sure then.

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 Post subject: Re: Trump
Posted: Dec 21st, '16, 06:30    


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I just found an interview I heard with one of the main researchers working on Project Implicit, it's really amazing and worth listening to. Here's the link: http://www.onbeing.org/program/mahzarin ... chine/8719

Here's a quote I pulled from the transcript that I think exemplifies her viewpoint: How am I to cope with this? This is an old machine in my head telling me what to do based on theories that it has learned, that seemed reasonable and rational. And all of a sudden, I have this enormous task before me of putting all that aside and asking newly, "Is this really in my interest?"

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 Post subject: Re: Trump
Posted: Dec 21st, '16, 14:21    


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That's a great quote. Makes sense with anything really.

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 Post subject: Re: Trump
Posted: Dec 22nd, '16, 02:03    


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So this happened today...

From the Washington Post, Trump was asked today about his proposals of a ban on Muslims and a Muslim registry. Here's the lead:

"President-elect Donald Trump on Wednesday appeared to stand by his plans to establish a registry for Muslims and temporarily ban Muslim immigrants from the United States.

Speaking outside his Mar-a-Lago resort in Florida, Trump did not walk back the proposals after he was asked by a reporter whether he was rethinking or reevaluating them in the wake of a fresh terrorist attack in Berlin.

“You know my plans,” Trump said."


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/pos ... 8ff65d88d6

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 Post subject: Re: Trump
Posted: Dec 22nd, '16, 02:28    


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Wow so he's still wanting to go through with that? Isn't there anything that can stop him? Because it seems way too illegal to do. I thought stuff like that couldn't be setup. We don't need repeats of WWII on our hands with rounding up people in a sense.

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 Post subject: Re: Trump
Posted: Dec 22nd, '16, 02:41    


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I know the ACLU is already preparing to take him to court over both these proposals. Hopefully, the court system will do its job. Both of these actions are not only unconstitutional (depending on the Supreme Court, there are currently conflicting rulings on the books so its legally a grey-area), but both are in direct violation of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

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 Post subject: Re: Trump
Posted: Dec 22nd, '16, 02:44    


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... It shouldn't be a gray area. And those morons should know better. There are too many gray areas in the laws that it's sickening.

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