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 Post subject: Re: Feature Requests - Post your ideas here!
Posted: Aug 1st, '17, 17:37    


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jacobgrey wrote:But this is my point - the monthly treasure only lasts a month, the others last longer. So when you look at it with the oldest at the bottom, actually you're not always seeing the set which will disappear soonest.
Yes, you do. Always. :mccute:
The Monthly Treasure always gets taken out before it can reach the bottom. It's always the last sets on the bottom that will leave next.
jacobgrey wrote:
Let's say I'm debating whether or not to donate for a set that I don't have yet. I can see it's the next to go, but I think, well, I'll sleep on it and decide tomorrow. If I wake up and it's gone, I won't donate. If I can see that that set will disappear in the morning, it will push me to donate now rather than spending more time thinking about it.
And that's exactly why there is always an official announcement reminding you that a Treasute Trove set will leave two days before the leaving date, so you will never wake up and suddenly find a set gone. :mcwink:

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 Post subject: Re: Feature Requests - Post your ideas here!
Posted: Aug 1st, '17, 19:19    


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I don't think you see my point about the monthly treasure - the fact it never reaches the bottom is the problem, in essence, it isn't in the right order of things expiring. If you look at the shop right now, the Ifrit set won't be the last thing to expire, but it is right up at the top as if it would be.

It would just be a nice feature for all users to see the date that things are expiring, especially for new users who don't understand the system yet. If I who has been here for so many years still struggles with it I can't imagine what it's like for someone just coming in as a new user. I don't find the official announcements too useful when I am deciding what to buy next because I have to manually go through and read all the announcements to find out. Now we know it can be done easily it seems strange not to have it.

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 Post subject: Re: Feature Requests - Post your ideas here!
Posted: Aug 2nd, '17, 08:10    


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jacobgrey wrote:I don't think you see my point about the monthly treasure - the fact it never reaches the bottom is the problem, in essence, it isn't in the right order of things expiring. If you look at the shop right now, the Ifrit set won't be the last thing to expire, but it is right up at the top as if it would be.
I don't think you understand this correctly.
The first Treasure Trove set to expire is always the one on the bottom, not on the top. Right now it's the Joseon Set and the The King set.

But maybe I should explain better why I am not so fond of this, because you probably think "Why is she making such a big deal out of this? Just add the date like in the Candy Caracan, no harm done!".

With the Candy Cravan, where it's not by date, but by month every 3 months, the leaving dates of items are always the same. The last time the items are in the Candy Caravan is always February, May, August and November. So I already know the dates whenever I work on a new item.

With the Treasure Trove the leaving date is exact to the day and it always depends on what day the Treasure Trove sets are put in the Treasure Trove. (and this would already be a problem, because the Candy Caravan dates don't show you the leaving dates, but the last month during which the item will be available. So this would be very confusing with two different dating systems) But I never know when this will be when I work on the items including the shop preview images that would contain the date. I work on an update, I finish all files, I ZIP them and send them off to starkad and I move on and work on the next update. And I never know when starkad will find the time to take care of the update. Sometimes he gets stuff I sent him done in days, sometimes it takes weeks. (sometimes even months :mcsleepy: ). So when I work on these images there is no way for me to know what date they will leave the Treasure Trove as I don't even know what date they will be put into the shop, so I could not finish the files and send them off.
The only solution around this would be for starkad to code some kind of feature that would let you put on a date (not on the images, but maybe somewhere in the description) on the day the items are put into the shop, but this would mean coding work for him, which is what I am always trying to avoid because he is not able to keep up with all the work I have for him as it is. So I try not to give him even more work, when I don't think it is something very important, or I put it off to "maybe one day when he will have some free time" (which will most likely never happen).
So it's not an issue of me simply not wanting to add any dates, but that it can't be done as easily as with the Candy Caravan.
And since the leaving dates of Treasure Trove sets are announced with the original announcement, since it is always the last items in the Treasure Trove to leave and since I always make an announcement 2 days before sets leave, so that I think it is pretty hard to miss the leaving of such sets unless you ignore announcements, I don't see this as an urgently needed feature to make starkad work on in his already way to scarse time.

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 Post subject: Re: Feature Requests - Post your ideas here!
Posted: Aug 2nd, '17, 10:15    


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*whispers* No one said it's urgent... Just saying... :qoops: *runs*

Okay, it's of course understandable. Sorry for making a mess... "orz

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 Post subject: Re: Feature Requests - Post your ideas here!
Posted: Aug 2nd, '17, 21:17    


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I hate to be a debbie downer, but I agree with Firn on this one. :qoops:

The MT sets always change on the first of the month, so having the MT at the bottom of the list is really unnecessary. ^^; Everyone who has been on Kofk for awhile knows that the previous month's MT disappears on the first of the month and is replaced by the current month's MT. If confusion for new users is your concern, I would suggest requesting an update to the FAQ to be a bit more specific on when MT sets are added and removed. ^^ But, and correct me if I'm wrong, confusion for new users does not seem to be the main thrust of your argument.

As for the TT sets, they are always arranged in order of release, and thus, order of removal from the Treasure Trove, with the most recent sets added to the top left, and the sets that are scheduled to disappear soonest at the bottom right.

In addition, if there was ever any confusion, you could also refer to the announcements forum, since the announcements do not disappear, ever. (Yes, even the earliest announcements form the very beginning of this site are still there - I just read some of them recently while trying to find the original announcement of the release of the first Fairy Coin to explain them to a new user.) Yes, it's a bit time-consuming to have to find the exact announcement, but you don't typically have to go any farther than the first page. (I should know - I have to to do this often to prioritize my set purchases, just like you.) It takes less than 5 minutes, at most.

And with Firn announcing the removal of every TT set a few days before they leave the Treasure Trove, both on Kofk and on Facebook, I cannot imagine the need for Starkard to create a system to list the expiration date of the sets, which would be very time consuming on his already busy schedule and large work load.

:mcheh:
I'm sorry, but I really do not see the urgent need for this feature. If you are having a problem with sets leaving the Treasure Trove without your notice, you might want to either write the removal date down somewhere so that you do not forget (ie a sticky note on your computer), or be sure to log on often enough that you will not miss the announcement saying that a TT set is about to leave the Treasure Trove in a few days. If it's the MT set you are worrying about, I'd highly suggest setting a monthly alarm on your phone a few days before the end of the month, or writing it into your calendar or planner, so that you do not miss the removal of the current month's MT set, since the MT set changes each month on the first of the month, like clockwork. ^^

But, of course, that's just my opinion. At the end of the day, it is up to Firn and Starkard to prioritize the need for new features.

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 Post subject: Re: Feature Requests - Post your ideas here!
Posted: Aug 2nd, '17, 21:42    


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Again, no one said it was urgent. It's just a suggestion thread, not everything will be implemented and I think we all understand that.
I never said it's a feature that is absolutely necessary and that it's impossible to live without it or anything like that. I just suggested a feature that I thought would make it more convenient for the users. I'm not a person who knows coding, so I may not be considering all things that concern coding at first, since I have no clue about it and it's simply not something that comes to my mind first when thinking of a suggestion. But once the proper arguments are said, there's no need to repeat them. We have the "like" buttons for that.
The arguments were listed, read and taken into account. We had a discussion, we know the opinions. Thank you for reading and taking the time for responding. The case is closed.

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 Post subject: Re: Feature Requests - Post your ideas here!
Posted: Aug 3rd, '17, 08:53    


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jacobgrey wrote:Is it? I never noticed it that way. Surely the monthly treasure is always somewhere near the top?
Ah, sorry. I didn't think about Monthly Treasures since I don't wait on those personally. I do see what you mean now.

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 Post subject: Re: Feature Requests - Post your ideas here!
Posted: Aug 3rd, '17, 16:53    


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I would love it if the wishlist in people's profiles was bigger, or could be expanded by clicking on it or something, or by linking to an extra site like the wishlist management - just with the other person's wishlist and obviously no options to change anything :mcheh: just for viewing.

The wishlist feature is really, really convenient and I'm so happy it was implementedI It's just when someone has a ton of wishes, scrolling through the tiny box in their profile is quite tedious.

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 Post subject: Re: Feature Requests - Post your ideas here!
Posted: Aug 12th, '17, 15:14    


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Sorry! Wrong thread. But since I posted here...

Is it possible to show in the Treasure Trove when you have already bought a set like it does in the regular items shop?

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 Post subject: Re: Feature Requests - Post your ideas here!
Posted: Aug 12th, '17, 15:55    


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I'm not too sure about this as you may owe like 7/8 of the items and it would show that you don't have the set yet and confuse you but on the other hand it could be useful so as not to buy a second set by accident.
Though it takes only a few seconds to check whether you already have it so am bit conflicted on this one.

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