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 Post subject: Re: [ Amura's house on a tree ]
Posted: Oct 5th, '21, 18:16    


Amura

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I'm a good listener.
I can understand others, but I'm a bit too prone to give advice :|

I suppose nowadays talking about depression and many other mental issues is a bit easier that it was in the past.
But there are still plenty of people who dismiss them as something "made up" or "exaggerated" v_v



So today we had the first meeting with our son's new teacher. She's very nice.
She mentioned that he might be a gifted student, that it's a bit soon to know for sure yet (he's 6) but there are some evidences that suggest it.
I don't know, it's kinda cool, but on the other hand I don't like labels...

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 Post subject: Re: [ Amura's house on a tree ]
Posted: Oct 5th, '21, 20:37    


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I like learning about history, well dark history, so I can confirm it's a hell of a lot better regarding mental illness now u8
I'm happy for it too.
I didn't know what was happening to me when my depression and anxiety disorder hit.
I'd only heard about depression through one of those medicine commercials.


A gifted student u8?

Man, my bestie in school was a prodigy 8,u
She was good at everything and I'm not exaggerating ._.
I think her only flaw was she could be kind of an airhead at times xD
She got all A+s, she could sing, she could play piano, she could play every sport the school offered, she was really friendly, and she was funny.

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 Post subject: Re: [ Amura's house on a tree ]
Posted: Oct 5th, '21, 21:59    


Amura

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I guess there is so much to learn about health, that we only manage to know about those topics which are closer to us.
My mom was diagnosed depression when I was a child, but I've always thought they should have digged deeper. There is something else there.


I don't know how to translate it.
We call them "students with great aptitudes", in the same sense you would say "gifted" in English. But probably the proper term is slightly different.

Prodigies are gifted indeed, but not all the ones considered gifted students are prodigies. Most of them are just gifted in a few areas of their interest, and plain normal or even bad at something else.
Although from an academical point of view it means something for teachers (who know they can and should provide different tasks for that student) it's not nearly as impressive as your friend.

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 Post subject: Re: [ Amura's house on a tree ]
Posted: Oct 6th, '21, 01:42    


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They used to lock people up because their mental disorder was an embarrassment to their family :\
Locked away and forgotten about.
Not to mention anything considered "abnormal" could get you put away.
Humans fear things they don't understand so they push it away and don't want to learn and listen to an explanation.
I see this with people killing insects.
Ew a creepy spider I need to kill it!
That spider didn't hurt them and is actually useful but they fear spiders and fear they MIGHT be dangerous so they just kill it.

I figured that's what you meant.
I've heard people use "gifted" for a child with learning disabilities too.
So I didn't know which one you meant xD;

I've only ever known one real prodigy and that was my bestie. I mean there was another girl who was even with my bestie when it came to sports and getting friends - she was Little Miss Perfect.
I didn't really dislike her, she even invited me to a couple birthday parties of hers when I didn't think we were that close ._.

I don't think I'm gifted in any way. Well, I take that back - there is something I seem to be really good at. I can come up with character designs very easily and quickly.
Numerous people have pointed out that I'm really good when it comes to that.

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 Post subject: Re: [ Amura's house on a tree ]
Posted: Oct 6th, '21, 21:46    


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So you say gifted to mean exactly the opposite...
Languages are so amusing!


I think there is always something each person is good at.
It's just that sometimes those things are difficult to quantify and sometimes they are undervalued.
People nowadays are obsessed with "usefulness" and with "qualification", but there are other aspects that are not measurable - and people who are good at those tend to be look down on.

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 Post subject: Re: [ Amura's house on a tree ]
Posted: Oct 7th, '21, 02:28    


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I think instead of saying "My child has learning disabilities 8u" they'll say "special" or "gifted".
I don't know why they do that but they do.
I guess because they don't want their kids to feel bad about themselves, but I mean...some people just have learning disabilities.
It's nothing to feel bad about.
I'm almost 33 and can't do math \u8/

You mean like art? A lot of people who are artists have been told things like "Get a real job!" "Do something useful with your life!"
Even when I'm hard at work on art I'm making, I'll tell people I'm busy and they say "You're not busy! You're not even doing anything!"
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 Post subject: Re: [ Amura's house on a tree ]
Posted: Oct 7th, '21, 11:44    


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I think that's the main problem with education. Children are taught one way and everything has to be measurable so it can be compared. People are all different, for some it would work better, I think, if they could just learn in practice. But that's something most people look down onto. While in real life, the world needs way more people who just work with their hands, not everyone can get a degree. But most people can nowadays and many people are left with a degree but without work?

Dunno.

School is quite hard here, asks a lot from the children and not all succeed. I sometimes think that maybe the school is set up for failure on purpose. 'Cause in the end, they need way more factory workers than people with academic degrees....

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 Post subject: Re: [ Amura's house on a tree ]
Posted: Oct 7th, '21, 19:43    


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I guess "gifted" became some sort of euphemism?
It's strange that it's used for something that means quite the opposite, but I guess that's the same thing that happens when you say someone is "special" but you actually mean they are strange as f*.
(Also I'm quite an strange person myself but I don't think I'm special at all, so maybe that's why I don't get the euphemism.)


As a teacher I think it's terrible that people consider everything that's taught should be "useful".
Because in people's minds that means "with direct correlation with money making". And there are plenty of "useless" things that are required in order to get to the point where the useful is feasible at all.
But sometimes we are so shortsighted...

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 Post subject: Re: [ Amura's house on a tree ]
Posted: Oct 7th, '21, 20:50    


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Yeah, I've noticed a lot of people that go to college and graduate and can't find a job or they have a job that is nowhere near their skill level.
I remember this show where this man had been to college and had a degree and he couldn't even get a job as a janitor. They refused to hire him because he was overqualified.
He ends up trying to jump off a building and killing himself but is talked out of it.
He was so desperate for a job and couldn't even be a janitor :\

My school didn't have classes like teaching kids how to cook or sew or repair stuff and we didn't even have sex ed.
I can remember a lot of useless stuff I was taught, but I can't cook or repair stuff xD

Like I mentioned in my Chat thread - I tried hard to learn math, only to be told I just didn't care or I wasn't trying.
When people tell that to their kids, it really irks me.
I worked hard to get all A's and B's but I failed when it came to math and all I got told was I just didn't care or wasn't trying.

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 Post subject: Re: [ Amura's house on a tree ]
Posted: Oct 7th, '21, 21:32    


Amura

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We don't have cooking/repairing classes either, I guess they sound a bit too old-fashioned. Who wants to be the one doing the cooking and repairing, you should be learning useful things to have a high-salary job which allows you to pay other people to do the cooking and repairing for you! :mcmeh:

And so our obsession with degrees leaves us with more helpless generations.

We do have sex ed though - but mainly because teenagers nowadays learn it all wrong from pornography, and unless someone tells them that's not normal sex they do believe they should be reproducing the kind of weird stuff they watch.



As a teacher I've always found amusing that parents often focus on what their children are worse at instead of what they are best at.
If a children is good at art and bad at maths, maybe you should provide further art education instead of trying to keep them away from arts and force them to learn maths - but usually parents think otherwise.
Because, again, following a fixed path seems to lead to "useful" results.

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